Vulnerability and Leadership: A New Era for Men with Pierre Campbell

Nkechi: 00:00:02

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Yes. Great day, amazing humans. Welcome to the next episode in the men's Health series.

And for YouTubers, yes, you can see that I'm with another amazing, amazing human. But for all of those listening on audio, get ready, get ready for this one.

My guest is known for his authentic style and passion as a leadership coach.

He's an empowering speaker, honestly, with energy that just exudes like a passion and a love and just a level of humanity for those that he actually touches along his way. He's authored the book Simple Intelligence. Go. So get optimistic.

And what I love about it, it's all about how acronyms and affirmations we're going to talk about that today can truly work to your advantage. So he teaches simple intelligence strategies which I think we need. We're actually going to dump things down in this interview. Okay.

So that people can walk away with some tangible tips.

But these uniquely positioned leaders to become more effective and enable more earning potential through employment engagement and customer satisfaction. He's also earned. Okay. You know, I love an athlete. A college football hall of fame award at. Is it Cheney? Cheney University.

Pierre: 00:02:04

That's correct.

Nkechi: 00:02:05

Yeah. And also career is an arena football player.

Pierre: 00:02:08

That's right.

Nkechi: 00:02:10

He's a two timer by the way. Podcast. Podcast guest. But I remember saying that last time. But. And then he's just an overall amazing human being. Okay. Like really.

I've had the pleasure of being on a panel with him. He came with fire. When I was thinking about, you know, intentionally, who do I need to bring into this month Men's health series.

This next guest who you're going to join me in a humongous podcast welcome was obviously a no brainer. So put it all together for the amazing here Kevin.

Pierre: 00:02:43

Let's go. Let's go Nke.

Nkechi: 00:02:48

I love you and I'm so happy that I think we said it. We haven't seen each other for three years. I feel like we Just spoke to each other.

Pierre: 00:02:56

It's crazy. It's crazy how time flies, I'm telling you, isn't it?

Nkechi: 00:02:59

So I hope.

I don't know if you're going to remember, but the first question I ask on every podcast, even though this is a series, is, what has been your most empowering thought that you've had of the day so far?

Pierre: 00:03:09

Empowering thought I've had of the day. Oh, that's a good one. Let me think about this really quickly. You know what? It's. It's the first thought that I read. That I read every morning, y'all.

Nkechi: 00:03:23

Oh, okay.

Pierre: 00:03:23

This way already. All is well. Everything is working out for my highest good. Out of this situation, only good will come.

Nkechi: 00:03:34

Yes.

Pierre: 00:03:35

Come on, baby. I swear, that must be the most empowering thing.

Nkechi: 00:03:40

Yes, that is. I know that one. I used to say that every day. I think it's Joyce.

Pierre: 00:03:44

He said, all is well. Everything is working out from the highest, highest good. And out of this situation, only good will come. Yeah, I've been through some stuff. Okay.

So pretty. Anything else come? It's like, all right, whatever.

Nkechi: 00:04:04

And here's the thing, because I think you and I really dealt, like, recognize the value of positive thinking. Language, right? Like. Like, speak it. See it. Because our. There's negative thoughts.

We might have to talk about that through this as we talk about stress and stuff like that. But. But, like, having those affirmations or those statements just on hand, ready.

Pierre: 00:04:23

They fire you up. Yes, they do. Yes, they do.

Nkechi: 00:04:26

When did you do. When did you identify that?

Pierre: 00:04:31

I believe it happened because of my mom.

Nkechi: 00:04:35

Okay.

Pierre: 00:04:36

Mom would always speak, speak. She always speaks into my. Until this day, she still speaks. Oh, you know, you. You know, your greatest. Or, you know.

Nkechi: 00:04:44

Okay, she speaks into you, like.

Pierre: 00:04:45

Oh, yeah. So it's always been a part of who I. Who I am.

Nkechi: 00:04:50

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:04:51

And so I've always had that natural ability to speak about myself positively and love myself and then love on others and freely pour into others. That's just the natural makeup of who I am.

So then it moves on to my uncle giving me the whole saying, you know, to be the best, you got to beat the best, and it don't get no better. And he would pat his chest like this, Uncle Desmond, he pat. It says no better than this right here.

And what that meant was, at the time, I didn't know when I was in high school, but then when I went to college, I was, like, looking in the mirror saying this stuff over and over, and I was like, oh, my God, light bulb. It meant you compete against yourself every day.

Nkechi: 00:05:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pierre: 00:05:30

Every day. When you compete against yourself, don't look at your phone and don't look at somebody else because you don't know what they're going through.

Nkechi: 00:05:36

Yeah, yeah.

Pierre: 00:05:37

Don't know how they got what they got.

Nkechi: 00:05:38

Mm.

Pierre: 00:05:39

Oh, yeah. That's where that came from.

Nkechi: 00:05:41

I love it. I love it. And since you're on it, how would you.

I mean, I kind of read that bio, but I'm just, I'm actually, this is, this is, this just came to me because you speak. I love to hear how you introduce yourself. Like, how do you describe who you are?

Pierre: 00:05:57

Well, I, I describe myself from the value that I bring.

Nkechi: 00:06:02

Okay.

Pierre: 00:06:03

So I always help to help tell people that I help people to articulate their value so that it can have higher earning potential.

Nkechi: 00:06:10

Oh, nice.

Pierre: 00:06:11

So that anyone that hears that, if you're on the receiving end of hearing that message, you know that I can help you.

Nkechi: 00:06:19

Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, I like that.

Pierre: 00:06:21

Anything else you can, you can, you can kind of pick up anything. You can pick up on what you perceive.

Nkechi: 00:06:28

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:06:29

But from that perspective, I'm speaking from a leadership service perspective.

Nkechi: 00:06:34

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:06:34

I'm literally telling everybody that when I'm, when I'm introducing myself, hey, look, this is what I do. I help people to articulate their value so they can have higher earning potential. And then essentially everybody wants that, right?

Nkechi: 00:06:45

Yes, yes.

Pierre: 00:06:46

Those who really want it, they get attracted to it. So I have this, this, this, this idea called the leadership magnet. And that's what draws people. And all these.

Nkechi: 00:06:56

Yes, yes.

Pierre: 00:06:58

All the executives that I coach, they are leadership magnets.

Nkechi: 00:07:01

Yes, yes.

Pierre: 00:07:01

I love that they get drawn into that.

Nkechi: 00:07:04

And for the listeners, I want to actually. My next question to you, and then I'm going to actually go to the actual questions I curated for this episode.

Well, so first of all, how many times a week would you say you say that to somebody?

Pierre: 00:07:20

On average, how many times? Probably I say it all the time. Just whatever. It's a part. It's a part, it's a part.

Nkechi: 00:07:29

Right.

So the point I'm trying to make is there was a day when you started to say it, then there was a day there was a day when you started to say it, and then there was a day when what you were saying was manifesting.

Pierre: 00:07:41

And you know what's funny? You know what? I'm glad you said that because it's true. There's a day when I started to say it and I wrote it out exactly like that.

And then all of a sudden, I didn't say it anymore. It was. It was just naturally who I am, and so people automatically know. I always tell people, what do people call you for?

You know, that's what people call me for.

Nkechi: 00:08:05

Yes.

Pierre: 00:08:07

That's what you call me for.

Nkechi: 00:08:09

Yes.

Pierre: 00:08:10

And you. You. You. You want a coach, a leadership guy knows, understands leadership. I don't do all the other stuff. I do leadership, management. That's me. Okay.

Nkechi: 00:08:22

And.

Pierre: 00:08:22

And I love it, man. And this is the closest thing to football that I could. That I could ever come to.

And I thank God that he showed me this and he showed me through football about. He showed. And so I appreciate. I appreciate that. You know, that's a great question.

Nkechi: 00:08:38

I love that. Okay, so this. This is. This month is. I like. Yeah, it's. Because it's international. You. I know you're in the US now, but it's Movember.

And so on the Empowered, My skin podcast, we decided to start to really give a. Give this month some voice and give air time to the platform to talk about men's health.

And so, just to get you, like, maybe just opening up and sharing what does. Like, how do you take care. Like, how does Pierre take care of Pierre, and how does you ensure that you are good be for everyone else?

Pierre: 00:09:14

Yeah. So, number one, Pierre comes first, and I'm not afraid to say that.

Nkechi: 00:09:19

And how long have you, like, is that always been a sin, or do you came into that later on in life or.

Pierre: 00:09:26

You know, me and time. I've been this way for so long. I don't. I don't. I don't know. You know, it's just naturally who. Who.

Who I've always been, and then sometimes I dismiss what I don't want to remember is that. Does that make sense?

Nkechi: 00:09:39

Yeah. Yeah.

Pierre: 00:09:41

So I don't know. It's been there for a long time where I come first. And the reason why I say I come first is because I know the nature of who I am.

I've always been the person that if put. I have a tattoo on my arm, everybody, two people. You can see the guns. All right, so look. So this tattoo, it's a.

It's an Asian tattoo, but the symbol, it's one. It looks like I saw the image first, and then I got the tattoo. Thank God it was something positive. Okay.

What it looked like to me, and I was like, okay, great, I'm gonna get this tattoo. What it looked like to me is one person standing on another person's shoulder.

Nkechi: 00:10:17

Oh, yeah, I can see that. Yeah.

Pierre: 00:10:20

Ink stand on my shoulders. Yeah, yeah, I got that.

Come to find out, beautiful thing is, you know, I work with a lot of diverse people and I saw someone that was Japanese and they told me, hey, you know, I said, oh, I got this tattoo. Please interpret it. Oh, it means king emperor standing over the city.

Nkechi: 00:10:40

Oh, wow. Okay, okay. So you got it. Good.

Pierre: 00:10:42

So worked out. And what. Why do I say all of that? I say all of that because at the end of the day, I'm all. I'm. The nature of who I am is always in service.

So I need to put my mask on first. And I know that I'm going to take care of you. If you want to be on a winning team, you want me on your team.

If you rally and it's a fight, trust me, you want me. I'm the guy that you are. I'm just that guy. So when you talk about that question, you ask the question, how do I take care of myself? First, I love me.

I train every morning.

Nkechi: 00:11:17

Okay. Okay. Do you get up, do you get up consistently at the same time like I'm trying to? Yeah.

Pierre: 00:11:21

I don't use the alarm. I don't.

Nkechi: 00:11:23

Okay, okay. So you're one of those.

Pierre: 00:11:24

Okay, get up consistently every morning. Take, take my son. If, if we had. If I had to take him to the, to school, I take him to school. If it's not straight to the gym, okay. And I work out.

And when I work out, I train. I don't just go in there and work out. I train. Like, I still play football, right?

Nkechi: 00:11:39

Okay.

Pierre: 00:11:40

Okay. So I take care of myself. I have a membership there at the gym, which has a sauna. I do a sauna five days a week. I go.

I have a membership at a place called Restore Hyper Wellness. Okay. I just posted it on LinkedIn. There was a picture of me in a compression boots and with arms. Okay. I don't play. I take care of my body. Okay.

I go in the ice chamber. It's called a cryo chamber. Three minutes. They ask me, how many fans you want. I want a max. We're going to do it. We're going to do it all out. Okay?

So, so, so that's what, that's how I take care of me. I do a lot of self care. I do a lot of self care training as well.

And it's important because if you're gonna train people on it, you need to look like it.

Nkechi: 00:12:23

Yes, yes, I agree. Yes.

Pierre: 00:12:24

I need to be that person that you're actually telling everybody to be. So self Care and just don't look.

Nkechi: 00:12:30

My. My trainer says just don't look fit. Be fit.

Pierre: 00:12:33

Be fit. Yeah. Be fit.

Nkechi: 00:12:35

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:12:36

Yeah. You know, so. Yeah, I just. I. I come first. So the answer. The short answer is I come first. Everything else, I kind of explain what I do.

Nkechi: 00:12:45

Yeah. No, I love that. So as we think about now, and I don't know where you might be on the. It doesn't matter. It's not a big.

You know, I saw some gray there, and.

Pierre: 00:12:56

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm 48. I'm 48.

Nkechi: 00:12:58

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Pierre: 00:13:01

They think I'm younger than I am, and I'm like, okay, well, hey, cool. But I'm happy about my age. I'm 48. I'm good. So.

Nkechi: 00:13:07

Okay. So now. So based on what you're talking about, I love that this. This might be a. This might be a redundant question, but how has.

How or how have you even observed it with your other male counterparts? Like, just from younger days to. To now, or, you know, have you seen the evolution of men's health?

Is it declining, rising, like, just from your perspective?

Pierre: 00:13:28

Okay, it's. Okay. It's. It's a hard question because it's a general question. The people that I am answer with the.

Nkechi: 00:13:37

Answer it the way you want to answer it. Then you get.

Pierre: 00:13:39

I'm gonna answer.

I'm gonna answer the way I want, but I want to kind of explain, like, the people that I'm with, my friends, my network, they are about what I'm about.

Nkechi: 00:13:47

Okay, good.

Pierre: 00:13:49

You know? They are.

Nkechi: 00:13:49

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Hang out with what?

Pierre: 00:13:52

Yeah, this is Birds of a feather flock together.

Nkechi: 00:13:54

Birds of a feather flock together. Yeah.

Pierre: 00:13:56

But now, so. So. But if you look generally outside, I think the challenge that we have is when we get outside, I'm going to speak from a former football player.

When we get outside of being an athlete and we step out of that and we're no longer an athlete, we still eat the same way, do all these things, and we don't train the same way. We start to get sick and get diseases and get overweight and all these things. It even happened to me where I'd be training like a maniac.

And then I found myself. I was 264 pounds. Nobody knew, because I carry my weight a certain way.

And I stepped on the scale, and I bought this Renfro scale, and it told me the visceral fat, and it was like, what is this? And I looked up visceral fat, and I was like, the fat around my organ, I was like, oh, Pep is not going out like that. No, sir. No, sir. Pep, don't.

So my nickname is Pep. So I talk to myself my self talk. Whenever I'm motivating myself, I say Pep.

Nkechi: 00:14:52

Okay, okay.

Pierre: 00:14:53

It's not going out like that. Yeah.

Nkechi: 00:14:55

Okay. Oh, you have that alter ego.

Pierre: 00:14:57

Yes. Well, I don't call it alter ego, but Pep is. That's. That's the guy that would hit people on a daily basis.

Nkechi: 00:15:03

Yeah, that's the case. That's the guy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Pierre: 00:15:07

And so I was like, oh, he's not going out like that. So I realized I needed to train and I need to change my eating. I train. I train, I train, but I changed my eating. So that helped a lot.

So I stay away from a lot of different foods, and I eat more of natural foods.

Nkechi: 00:15:24

Yes, yes. Yeah. So this is great. So even the way you're talking right now takes me into the next question.

When we start to talk about masculinity and the mask of masculinity and societal concepts around that.

Pierre: 00:15:38

Right.

Nkechi: 00:15:39

The way you're talking is not kind of how my dad would have spoken, you know, and he's born in 38, you know, just. It's a different type of. So what's your view on, you know, how masculinity is being redefined and. And, yeah.

Are men embracing it more and maybe talk a little bit about you and your. What you call your five. Your fight tight. The tight, right? Do you guys get horrible? Do you guys get vulnerable with each other?

And what might that look like?

Pierre: 00:16:06

100. I mean, you know, if you talk about men and men in general, we need to. We're not. We're opposite from women. They're always. It's opposite.

There's no better. But there's a need for female and female energy. You need both. Okay.

And so when you talk about the question of being vulnerable, yes, you have to be vulnerable with. But vulnerable with somebody, you know, and somebody. And someone else that's vulnerable with you with their friends. I am vulnerable.

Nkechi: 00:16:37

And.

Pierre: 00:16:37

But it's just those friends. I don't go outside of my friends. Okay. And if y'all here to look at Jamaican accent, it's because I'm from Jamaica too. I'm of Jamaican descent, so.

So I don't go outside of this friends. Because when you go outside of this friends, now, as a man, it feels like. It almost feels like you lose. You. You lose the trust.

You stick with your friends.

Nkechi: 00:17:00

So why is it that they. Why is. There seems to be such a Like men don't get vulnerable with each other. Like, there's still a little bit of that.

Like, you obviously see a lot of men on Instagram and all this that are now trying to get men to share their feelings and all this. Any other. But there is still, you know, I.

Pierre: 00:17:18

Think, I think men and women are different. You could go into. You can go into a restroom, going anywhere, and you can make friends with another female.

Nkechi: 00:17:25

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:17:26

Men, we don't do that. Okay. We get vulnerable. So this is a good thing to share with you and the audience. We get vulnerable, but we get vulnerable with our friends.

Your friend, if it's your friend. My aunt, she passed away, Auntie Promise. She said, if you know something.

It was a Jamaican saying something about if you have friends, some are gold, some are silver, some are bronze or something like that. And she said, she said to me one time, she said, if you have five friends, you're good, because that's a lot.

And when we say friends, we're not talking about this friend stuff like on reality TV and all that kind of stuff. No, friends. People that you consider family. You were born into a family, but you get to pick your friends.

Nkechi: 00:18:12

Yes, that is true. This is true.

Pierre: 00:18:14

And so I pick my friends. That's my. I have the right to do that. And they pick me.

And so when you understand that, you understand why, why society will look and say men are not vulnerable. Not necessarily true. They're vulnerable to their friend. You just don't know it.

Nkechi: 00:18:29

Know it. Yeah. Okay.

Pierre: 00:18:31

Because men, you want to talk about masculinity, men don't need to talk to the public about their personal problems, but they need to talk to their friend.

Nkechi: 00:18:41

Yeah. About it.

Pierre: 00:18:42

Because they, because their friend is now going to empower them. It's going to listen to them without judgment. It's going to say to them, you know what, Maybe you should take this angle.

Maybe you should take this approach. You know, the Bible say something about, you know, seek wise counsel.

Nkechi: 00:19:00

Yes.

Pierre: 00:19:01

That's a part of the process of a men. Manhood and men actually saying, okay, I'm going to. Look, I'm going to be vulnerable with only these two people.

Nkechi: 00:19:11

Women.

Pierre: 00:19:12

Now, women could be man. I had such and such go on and such and such. And it be on stage, and I'd be like, oh, man, I can't believe she just said that.

But it's possible, right?

Nkechi: 00:19:25

Right.

Pierre: 00:19:26

Because of the way you are made up.

Nkechi: 00:19:27

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:19:28

They. They say, here's, here's a perfect example for a man. I heard this.

I don't know who the author is that made up this term, but I'm just going to share with you. They say females think like spaghetti. Right. And men think like waffles. We compartmentalize. We box. We put things in boxes when we're at work, we work.

You females at work, they working, but they also thinking about the things.

Nkechi: 00:19:55

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:19:56

Laundry. You got to get the kids, got to get the. Got to do this, got to cook. Got it. We don't have time for that because the way we're wired.

So when you understand that as a human being, which is male, female, you understand how to communicate effectively with the male and female partner, and then you also have an ability to say, okay, let me listen more, become a better listener, an active listener, and guess what? Then you have true communication.

Nkechi: 00:20:27

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:20:28

Yeah.

Nkechi: 00:20:30

So by the way I'm looking, I can't even believe. I don't know, maybe because I got you right at the beginning and I was like, talking, but I was like, I only have like.

Okay, so you have a son. He's: 2012

Pierre: 00:20:45

Yes.

Nkechi: 00:20:46

I want to know how you, like. We haven't really tackled father son relationships. And, you know, how are you preparing him for, like, manhood and being a well, well leader.

Like a well. Yeah.

Pierre: 00:21:05

Yeah. Thank you for. First of all, thank you for asking that question. My son. I love my son.

Nkechi: 00:21:13

Yeah, I know. I hope so.

Pierre: 00:21:15

Okay, let me tell you something. This little guy right here, I have been blessed.

My wife and I have been blessed, but me, specifically, as a man, I've been blessed to have this young boy to now train him up to be a man. So in simple intelligence, I have. I wrote that book.

The whole idea of simple intelligence is because, you know, Daniel Goldman brought out emotional intelligence. My thought was, okay, we need a little something else. Okay? And that something else is common sense. And so that's what simple intelligence is.

And so all of the things that I teach out there to the world, this little boy, he gets it on an everyday basis. My response is my responsibility is the first principle of simple intelligence. Just think about. My daughter's getting it too, but think about that.

So. So he takes the trash. I took out the trash just today, the right before. As soon as we got in, he took out the trap. He got. He got chores to do.

He makes his bed every day.

Nkechi: 00:22:15

Every day.

Pierre: 00:22:16

Every day. We don't miss. We don't mess. That's. We don't miss. Miss for what? You don't have to do anything but Take care of your business. That's your business.

That's not my business. Okay. I train him and I let him see. And I say, walk like that. I say, you don't have to look at anybody else but me. The hero is right in front of you.

You don't. You don't have to look at anybody else but me. So I said, walk like that, talk like that, act like that. So what does that do?

It puts me on the spot to be.

Nkechi: 00:22:43

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:22:44

And also be vulnerable. Exactly. And be vulnerable and show him that I make mistakes. And when he. Oh, yes, because that's what manhood is about.

They were gonna make mistakes and then tell him, I apologize because I made that mistake or I did this wrong or whatever the case is. So that's how I train him on an everyday basis, because he's going through things, and I just thank God. He just told me in the car just a minute ago.

This is. That's why I said thank you. He literally said, thanks for being the dad that you are, dad.

Nkechi: 00:23:13

Oh.

Pierre: 00:23:13

He said, I thank God for you. Yes, man. Oh, you can't beat that.

Nkechi: 00:23:23

No, no. That warm my heart, man.

Pierre: 00:23:28

Listen.

And every man that has an opportunity, regardless if you're with your spouse or not, or with your partner or not, whatever, if you have an opportunity to be a dad or to be a mentor to a young man, hey. Yeah, that's the lesson that we can have, because they're coming up behind us to be there.

Nkechi: 00:23:45

Yeah.

Pierre: 00:23:46

So, yeah, that. That. That is a great question. I'm so glad you asked that question, because it literally just happened. Literally just happened.

Nkechi: 00:23:53

Wow. So just really, just as a parting question, men have typically.

I mean, still, I think, you know, have the weight a lot of times, especially family men of the. The weight of them. They're on their shoulders. Right. And so it's, you know, this.

This thing that we call about balancing life, I'm going to call it harmonizing life and stress. And, um, so how best should men really find that balance? Or to be able to manage stress and still be able to perform as a leader in their life?

Pierre: 00:24:30

Great question. First thing. The Bible say, know thyself. You should first. First be focused on God, your higher power, whoever your higher power is.

Nkechi: 00:24:42

Something higher than yourself.

Pierre: 00:24:43

Yeah, higher than yourself. Because at the end of the day, who am I to say that? What religion is the wrong religion or the right religion? Man, please.

Because when you're going, nobody ever come back and say, oh, guess what? You were wrong. Like, no, it don't work like that. Okay, so first, know yourself. Know, like, focus on God. Know yourself. Okay, that's number two.

Know yourself. Study yourself. Love yourself. Don't compare yourself to somebody else. Empower yourself.

Nkechi: 00:25:16

Is that four now?

Pierre: 00:25:17

Huh? Are we on four? We only, like, four or five. Okay.

Nkechi: 00:25:21

Okay.

Pierre: 00:25:23

I count so many of them.

Nkechi: 00:25:25

No, Study love and power.

Pierre: 00:25:27

Yeah. So. So. So essentially, at the end of the day, you got. You. You got to do all these different things. Put yourself first, and then.

And then follow your purpose and your.

Nkechi: 00:25:37

Goals and your dreams.

Pierre: 00:25:38

Follow your purpose. Everybody has a purpose, no matter who they are.

Nkechi: 00:25:41

Yeah, man, I love you.

Pierre: 00:25:43

I love you, too. Come on, Kink. Let's go.

Nkechi: 00:25:46

Have to bring that US Vibe over here to Canada, you know? So. Gotta figure that out. Gotta figure that out.

Well, if there was, like I said, very intentional, I knew that you were connected to yourself in a really, and I'm gonna say spiritual, like, godly way. And I think you know thyself, and I. That's the one that I knew about you way back when I first met you. I got that in an instant.

And I continue watch you shine and. And, yeah, man, you just. Like I said, it's like. It's like you have the spirit that just makes everything better simply because you're in it.

So thank you so much for sharing your love like that with the world.

Pierre: 00:26:20

Appreciate you.

Nkechi: 00:26:21

Thank you. Keep leading those people. Keep leading those people with those simple strategies, man.

Pierre: 00:26:27

That's it. That's it. That's it. Hey, can I just say this one last thing before you close it out? Is that everybody.

I want y'all to really understand this, that everybody is going through something.

Every single one of you that are listening right now on the podcast or watching us via YouTube or whatever way you're watching us, everybody's going through something. So just have a little grace. Have a little grace that you live with. Have a little grace for the people that you're bringing up.

Nkechi: 00:26:50

Have a little grace for days.

Pierre: 00:26:52

Grace is the key, and gratitude is the seed for more.

Nkechi: 00:26:56

Wait.

Pierre: 00:26:56

Love you all. God bless you. Let's go.

Nkechi: 00:26:58

God bless you. Thank you, my friend. Love ya.

Pierre: 00:27:02

All right, let's go.

Nkechi: 00:27:03

Okay, take care. Bye, my friend.

Pierre: 00:27:06

Bye.

Nkechi: 00:27:08

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